More Than Meets the Eye

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I started my second date with this cute guy by telling an amazing story about one of my bank customers. That day, the customer – who was legally blind – came to a stop at stoplight while riding in his van with his wife when a woman came running up to them bleeding and screaming for help. A man immediately ran up behind the woman, threw her against the passenger side of the van and proceeded to stab her to death in broad daylight.

My date said, “Wow. That’s too bad.”

“Yeah,” I said. “Wouldn’t it be terrible to have that happen and not be able to help?”

“No, what I mean is, it was too bad that he’s legally blind because I imagine something like that would have been really cool to see. It’s too bad he missed it.”

I chalked it up to him being very nervous and quickly changed the subject. Previously he’d been intelligent and charming. We then went on a hike and I asked where he’d like to eat dinner. This is when he informed me that as a poor college student he didn’t have any money. I was starving since I thought the date would include a meal and since I’m not the type that expects the guy to pay every time anyway, I told him I’d pay. I ordered a large salad, while he got the most expensive steak on the menu.

We went to his place to watch a movie but he kept insisting that we watch Transformers, the cartoon movie from the ’80s, not the recent blockbuster, telling me that it was the greatest movie ever. We ended up watching TV instead and at one point I turned to him to say something and he cut me off with a blunt, “Don’t talk to me, I’m thinking.” At this point I realized that he might have some deeper issues, so I shut up. Ten minutes later he said, “OK, I’ve been thinking about all the signals you’ve been giving me tonight, and I’ve decided that you want me to kiss you.” I politely told him that he was mistaken and asked him to take me home.

Comments (13)
deidreMay 20th, 2009 at 10:46 pm

Ok, FOR SERIOUS that is a bad date. I’m speechless. wow. bad.

karenMay 21st, 2009 at 7:01 am

yikes. that is pretty bad. and the actual transformers movie was pretty bad. seems like he was pretty full of himself…..

CanaduckMay 21st, 2009 at 3:10 pm

………….holy crap.

WhitneyMay 21st, 2009 at 5:58 pm

I must share the last part of the date that was cut for length but was the icing on the cake. On the way home I realized I’d forgotten my keys and told him that if my roommate wasn’t home that I’d have to figure out how to get to my friend’s house, or else sleep in the backyard. But as soon as I closed the car door, he took off. He didn’t even wait 30 seconds to see if I could get into my house.

KatzMay 31st, 2009 at 7:39 pm

Sounds like an autistic guy. Cut him some slack (but don’t date him either).

KatherineJune 16th, 2009 at 9:57 am

KatzMay, I’ve known many insensitive jerks who were definitely not autistic. Way to diagnose something like that over one blog entry on the ‘net. My younger sister has autism, and I can’t tell you how effing annoying it is that people have begun unprofessionally diagnosing autism to every jackass out there. Quit it, please.

ginosuaveJune 30th, 2009 at 7:00 am

In his defense, it IS the greatest movie ever…

Stunned by StupidityJuly 10th, 2009 at 1:54 pm

Was he autistic?

AlisonJuly 30th, 2009 at 3:10 pm

My partner has (professionally diagnosed) Asperger’s, and yeah, this guy’s got the characteristics. Weird obsession that no one else understands; trying to analyze his date’s nonverbal signals logically rather than understanding them intuitively; openly saying so…

My partner does that “Don’t talk to me, I’m thinking” all the time. And here’s one of Asperger’s original subjects: “Mummy, I shall take a knife one day and push it in your heart, then blood will spurt out and this will cause a great stir.” “It would be nice if I were a wolf. Then I could rip apart sheep and people, and then blood would flow.”

Autism is one thing, but for people with Asperger’s who are good at compensating, looking like they’re “just insensitive jerks” is their main problem! They lack “theory of mind,” or as Asperger put it, they’re “almost completely egocentric.” It doesn’t automatically occur to them that other people have opinions and feelings too. (OTOH, they can remind themselves that others *do* have opinions and feelings and consciously try to figure them out. As your date was doing.)

The other, possibly underlying characteristic is “lacking common sense” — not putting two and two together. “I shouldn’t have to tell you this!” is the refrain. Your date likewise did not put two and two together to realize that your choice to give him the info that you’d forgotten your keys meant you wanted (really, expected) him to do something about it — even if that “something” was just “wait to make sure you actually got in.”

My partner often gets into situations like the one you described. He hears the words, but he doesn’t understand why the other person is telling him, *and it never occurs to him to wonder*. He doesn’t understand **and he doesn’t try to**. That’s what Asperger’s *is*. It’s very hard for normal people to understand, but obviously it’s quite the disability — what can you do with someone who just…doesn’t think?

I’m not here to diagnose over the internet, but this guy sounds like he’d do well to see a neuropsychologist. He really does have a lot of Asperger’s characteristics.

(And to anyone with a loved one on a more severe part of the autism spectrum…if your loved one improves his/her functioning s/he may end up with these residual traits.)

airica angelJuly 31st, 2009 at 12:16 pm

wow… nice insight. if no one else appreciates it, thank you, alison.

TeejayNovember 15th, 2009 at 9:40 pm

Am I the only one who thinks it’s odd that you thought a story of a woman being stabbed to death was appropriate conversational fodder for a date?!

EmmEffNovember 19th, 2009 at 3:29 am

My younger sister is an adult with Aspergers. She’s a textbook case, and I’ve done a lot of research on it. I can see what you’re saying Alison, it is all about her, there are unrealistic expectations and goals, and she doesn’t really get how her actions affect others. “I shouldn’t have to explain this” is definitely what you want to say to her all the time, and she is obnoxious fairly often because she lacks social skills–but this is still an example of a horrible date. I’m surprised two people thought this sounds austistic, it didn’t even occur to me until I read the comments. I can see how it’s possible, but it’s not at all obvious. Even if he is, it doesn’t really mean she had the wrong reaction to the date. It’s obviously not what she signed up for, and I would have gotten out of there, too. I mean, my sister shushes people all the time when she doesn’t like what they’re telling her, which is obnoxious, but that doesn’t mean I’d put up with it from my husband, who is not on the spectrum.

However, if my sister said some crap about stabbing mom in the heart, or ripping sheep apart, or that it would be cool to see a woman stabbed to death…we’d be seriously concerned that it wasn’t just Aspergers she was dealing with. Homicidal intention/interest isn’t a necessary part of the deal, and damn, that’s pretty creepy. This guy may or may not be on the spectrum, but he was still not an ideal date, the stabbing thing would be enough for me to leave.

BlahhApril 8th, 2011 at 5:16 pm

My friend has aspergers, he’s a sweetie.

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