Matchmaker Matchmaker

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Several years ago, I became involved in the Orthodox Jewish community. But given that I was 25 years old (considered old to be single in this world) and didn’t grow up observant, I was confronted with several social stigmas about “people like me” when I started dating. I politely turned down the majority of suitor suggestions (40-something widowers, unemployed men that lived with parents, etc.) until one matchmaker told me that I was being “difficult” and that I should really try this one guy so I decided to go for it.

The plan was to get coffee while I was visiting his town. He was 30-something, wore a full suit with a matching vest, bald, cross eyed, short and stocky. He wasn’t able to drive at night so he picked me up with a Brooklyn car service. We went for “coffee” at his favorite sushi bar, which incidentally, did not serve coffee. The conversation was OK until he started asking what I had learned about Jewish laws regarding marital relations. Bearing in mind that this is a man who grew up Orthodox I assumed that he was not only a virgin, but never even touched a woman, so I was mortified that he wanted to talk about this subject on a first date.

“According to Jewish law, a man can have his wife anyway he likes,” he said, while I was in shock. “Kinda like chicken! BBQ’d, baked, filleted…”

He flashed me what was supposed to be a seductive smirk, but it just came off really creepy in the context my visualizing this man naked, in my bedroom, holding a filleting knife and BBQ sauce, waiting to attack me. An eternity passed before the check came. The matchmaker called 30 minutes after the date ended to tell me that the guy said he was in love! I told her what happened.

“Well, he was just trying to relate to you knowing that you grew up secular and are probably preoccupied with that kind of sex talk,” she said. “You shouldn’t be picky, what with your age and growing up outside the community.”

A few years later, I finally left the community entirely.

Comments (24)
jOANNESeptember 30th, 2009 at 9:53 am

OY VEY!!!!!!

Frau BlucherSeptember 30th, 2009 at 2:20 pm

I knew there was a reason that i’m secular….lol

MariSeptember 30th, 2009 at 4:08 pm

It’s similar in the Christian community too. If you didn’t find someone to marry in college, they consider you pretty much screwed. (or rather, not screwed).

Ali ASeptember 30th, 2009 at 4:33 pm

LOL, oh this is terrible. I am not religious myself, though I respect all religions. But, I’ve quickly learned that pretty much anything “orthodox” = crazy. I’m glad this date ended relatively well, considering he sounds kinda psycho.

LisaSeptember 30th, 2009 at 5:15 pm

Mazel Tov for sensibly rejecting that lifestyle.

(I’m not religious myself, and I disrespect all religions equally.)

airica angelSeptember 30th, 2009 at 6:39 pm

“filleting knife and bbq sauce…” lmao priceless. thank you. i will laugh randomly about this for the next 24 hours. i actually have the picture in my head. hehehe… “like chicken…”

SarahSeptember 30th, 2009 at 7:59 pm

Sorry you had such a bad experience. Can’t judge Judaism by the Jews, unfortunately. If the frum [Observant] Jews were a minute percentage as good as we are supposed to be, then everyone else would be frum too.
Shana Tova.

RedMOctober 1st, 2009 at 5:29 am

What kind of community were you living in?
I’m a religious Jew, single and 24, and I’ve never used a matchmaker, or had anything like this happen to me. Modern Orthodoxy-we’re crazy, but in some of the more expected ways.

massageonOctober 1st, 2009 at 7:39 am

I don’t blame you. RUN!!!

sparklfarklOctober 1st, 2009 at 11:14 am

i don’t care if the guy was a DRUID, he sounds like a nutbag!!!

PersOctober 1st, 2009 at 3:09 pm

Oy vey.

lmnopOctober 1st, 2009 at 4:54 pm

HAHAH. My mom’s side is Jewish and I completely avoid her Orthodox relatives. They are batshit crazy and completely look down on anyone who’s not a Jew. My mom once helped an orthodox woman carry some stuff, and she told my mom “Wow! I can’t believe people like you are nice!”

Psst. I’m an atheist. I don’t buy that “respect for all religions” crap. If it’s batshit insane, it’s batshit insane.

LisaOctober 1st, 2009 at 5:49 pm

Exactly, ImnopOctober. No atheist genuinely “respects” any religion, let alone all religions.

But, reasonable atheists do respect everyone’s right to practice any cockamamie religion they choose (or– more accurately– their right to practice the cockamamie religion that they happened to be born into.)

AnyonymousOctober 2nd, 2009 at 7:34 am

Atheists and even secular people are upset by religious people. How dare they make major life decisions (whom they marry, how they dress, where they live, where to send their schools) based on such a silly thing as religion!

If you want religious people to respect your lifestyle that completely ignores the fact that there just might be something else besides random mutations that runs the world and makes you who you are, then it would would certainly make sense that you should respect us crazies. People who “answer to a higher authority” can easily be perplexed by people that live opposite from us, and that makes us close minded and elitist. But you all get a right to bash a religious lifestyle, and for some reason no negative adjectives come with that. It just makes you hip.

And Psstt Lisa, I was born into a secular family. I spent years learning to convert, and now I’m an Orthodox Jew. All my friends were either Christian because their mom was, or atheist because their best friend was. But thankfully I made up my own mind on how to live my life.

dislikeshypocritesOctober 2nd, 2009 at 10:37 am

@anon – you’d think from your post that religious people have never denigrated an agnostic-atheist for believing how they do. Street goes both ways, darling, get off your high horse.

DebraOctober 2nd, 2009 at 10:51 am

I don’t think this post was a slam at Judaism… I think it was an observation of dating with a fanatic wing of the Jewish community that – we can all agree – consciously distances itself from the world around them. Of course, part of that is to maintain their own traditions and lifestyle but sometimes results in fueling the xenophobia that other posters have experienced. One would hope that this community – and any that has presented negative experiences to its members/ former-members – would look at this and say “how do we learn from this and use those learnings to inform correcting problems that are identified” rather than say “well, that’s just a few nuts that don’t represent our entire community so let’s ignore it.”

ButtforOctober 2nd, 2009 at 12:59 pm

I think it is cute that someone would make this very personal blog about a young woman’s difficulty dealing with dating in a complex social society, such as the Orthodox community, into something about religion and the existence of God. This blog isn’t about you, anonymous. If you want to grind your axe about secularism vs theism there are better and more appropriate venues. You are free to have your opinion but please keep in mind that opinions are like assholes – we all have them and they ALL stink.

LisaOctober 2nd, 2009 at 2:42 pm

In Anonymous’s defense, she was responding– I think– to the comments, one of which was mine.

As an out-numbered atheist (outnumbered in general– perhaps not in this forum, though), I’ve learned that it’s futile to run around and annoy believers with my skepticism. Atheists constantly have to bite their tongues when confronted with religion– it’s considered beyond-rude to acknowledge you’re an atheist because it’s an affront to others dearly-held beliefs. In the mean time, we’re bombarded with all manner of (mostly Christian) references and celebrations.

For what it’s worth, Anonymous, I didn’t intend to offend anyone with what I wrote. It seemed to me I was communicating with like-minded people and was just expressing my thoughts on the subject.

AnyonymousOctober 4th, 2009 at 9:17 pm

Yeah, Lisa was right. I wasn’t responding the the date post. I was responding to the half dozen or so comments like this:
“But, I’ve quickly learned that pretty much anything “orthodox” = crazy. ”
“Psst. I’m an atheist. I don’t buy that “respect for all religions” crap. If it’s batshit insane, it’s batshit insane.”
etc etc.

No it wasn’t a slam at Judaism, you’re right Debra. It was just a relation of someone’s bad experience. But the comments under it were a slam at the Frum community.

AnyonymousOctober 4th, 2009 at 9:18 pm

Don’t worry Lisa– not offended. Also just expressing my thoughts :)

SophieDecember 10th, 2009 at 10:56 am

That’s just so gross. The wording as well – ‘A man can have his wife any way he likes…’. Not ‘A husband and wife can do it any way they like…’. Like wives are property to be used or something. Maybe he didn’t mean it that way but given what a creep he was it’s a reasonable inference to make.

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RyanFebruary 19th, 2010 at 3:01 pm

Ignoring the essay long comments most likely how being Atheist is cool, that date sounds awful. He could’ve been the greatest looking guy, I’m sure anyone would react the same way. Also this is why you never have matchmakers. It’s like looking in the mirror and asking someone to compare you to themselves. They’ll see themselves worse (Or better if they’re narcissistic) but rarely will they ever be accurate.

ataraMay 28th, 2010 at 12:13 pm

i’m dating a jewish secular guy and my family is religious, i may not be as religious as them (i’m not always kosher + i don’t always celebrate shabbat) but i’m a lot more religiously oriented or goaled than my boyfriend. it’s creating problems. what do i do? they say building a road to nowhere is hard, difficult, almost damn near impossible. i agree. what do you people think? :>(

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