Show and Tell

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It was a blind date – that was my first mistake. I’d been feeling a little down, recovering from a broken foot (and forced to wear a giant plastic brace on one leg) from a mountain-biking accident so it seemed like a good idea at the time. We’d talked on the phone and hit it off, so we decided to meet for drinks.

I arrived early and was enjoying a beer, while keeping an eye on the door. Across from me, a girl wandered in and sat at the other side of the bar. I could tell from her mannerisms that she was there to meet someone. I really hoped that wasn’t her. It couldn’t be. The girl I had talked to on the phone went on and on about how she loved to swim, loved to run, and how she tried to take care of herself. The girl eyeballing me from across the way was, well, fat. Not curvy, not voluptuous but fat. She outweighed me by at least 75 pounds.

I had mentioned on the phone to look for the guy in the leg brace. I headed to the men’s room, and thanks to my unmistakable accessory, found upon my return that my suspicions were correct. She had taken a seat next to me.

I switched to whiskey on the rocks.

She said that she was just glad to be going back to work on Monday. I asked why that was, and she told me it was because she’d been out sick for a while. Due to a brown recluse spider bite. At this point, she raised the very top of her sleeve to show me her upper arm – where a chunk of flesh about the size of a silver dollar had been surgically excised. “That’s what they had to cut off,” she said. “It would have been worse if I’d waited any longer.”

The conversation only went south from there.

I finally told her I had to get up early the next morning for work and she walked out with me. She then told me I should come over that weekend, and that we could hop in her hot tub together. I declined. Her last words to me? “I hope you change your mind, my mom can’t wait to meet you!”

Comments (40)
LisaNovember 17th, 2009 at 9:42 am

Her proud reveal of the (“Brown Recluse”) spider bite lance wound seems especially repulsive. I can’t believe you weren’t eager to climb into a hot tub with her!

BethNovember 17th, 2009 at 9:56 am

Lemme let you in a little secret. The key to not being “fat” is not always exercise (and diet) and being “fat” doesn’t always mean someone doesn’t also live an active lifestyle as well. That’s obtuse to what diet commercials may imply (and likewise what people end up believing) but if you had to switch to stronger drinks just because of that feature, I’d say you were a crap date.

But yeaaaah… “my mom can’t wait to meet you” on a blind date. Way over the top! You dodged a bullet.

SpankyNovember 17th, 2009 at 10:04 am

A hot tub, much like acohol, can make things happen. You should have done it buddy lol

karenNovember 17th, 2009 at 10:24 am

ah the joys of online dating. I wonder if you can do background checks on people before you go on a date?

YGNovember 17th, 2009 at 12:17 pm

So lemme get this straight…you were immediately soured on her appearance because of her weight? Shallow much?

People can be big and still be quite fit. I’m a curvy girl, and before I fell pregnant, I was cycling 15K a day and running in between. My body will NEVER be thin, but it can be healthy.

I agree you were a crap date, esp. when you tried to hide in the men’s room. I’d say she dodged a bullet more than you did.

SnippyNovember 17th, 2009 at 12:26 pm

re: YG – The OP said that he went to the men’s room (not surprising, given that he’d just had a beer), NOT that he “tried to hide” there. Try paying attention instead of changing other people’s stories to your liking.

Also: You “fell pregnant”? What are you, a hillbilly?

JanipurrNovember 17th, 2009 at 12:28 pm

I’m always suspicious when a man calls a woman fat, so he can use that excuse to not be attracted to her. I’ve been out with/friends with some pretty physically unattractive men who nevertheless thought they deserved a supermodel as a GF. Sounds like she was the one who dodged the bullet, here.

However, I will give you points on the spider bite reveal and mom comment. That does sound a bit overmuch.

tronnerNovember 17th, 2009 at 3:03 pm

You had me rooting for her until her “mom” comment.

Frau BlucherNovember 17th, 2009 at 6:36 pm

yeah i agree…the fact that you dismissed her for her weight does ring shallow, but i give her demerits for the Mom comment. Maybe BECAUSE she is chubby she doesn’t get as many guys as she’d like and is really eager to make a connection…but still that’s jumping the gun

BTW, i’m a cyclist and I see quite a few cyclists who are ‘fat’ and they are incredibly strong!! some people run and exercise but will never be skinny minies, that’s just the way they are. If that’s not your preference, ok, fair enough….

Dr_KnowNovember 17th, 2009 at 7:25 pm

Geez at least be equally snippy, Snippy. The person above YG alluded to this being an internet date why weren’t they called out on ‘changing other people’s stories to your liking’. Also ‘fell pregnant’ is a pretty common way of saying – when I became pregnant so trying to call her a hill billy for saying that is just an immature personal attack.

In regards to the actual date – yeah he shouldn’t have been so judgemental, seriously switching to a stronger drink so you can talk to someone your not physically attracted to – that is unbelievebly shallow and douchey. I manage to talk to lots of people I’m not attracted to, perfectly sober. How do I manage? *sarcasm

However, she was definitely creepy with the Mum comment. But the spider bite reveal I can kinda sorta understand – maybe she was trying to relate to him. In that they’ve both been sick and presumably had to have time off work etc.

NEJoyNovember 17th, 2009 at 10:09 pm

On some level people are attracted to who they’re attracted to physically. You can’t force yourself to be attracted to someone. HOWEVER, I totally agree that being active doesn’t automatically equal being thin. Eating a healthy diet and exercising regularly don’t magically make everyone thin.

The spider bite and mom comment are weird and totally inappropriate, but judging someone based solely on appearance is shallow…

LisaNovember 17th, 2009 at 10:24 pm

I knew this post would draw the ire of females.

Seventy-five pounds overweight isn’t merely ‘curvy’, it’s obese. No one can regularly run and swim and maintain that girth– it defies logic. She was either intentionally misleading him, or is delusional & liked the way it sounded as she uttered it.

I can’t feel too much sympathy for this girl– the sportin-life boast was intended to tantalize, and the promise of hot-tub frolics just a pathetic attempt to finagle a second date. She sounds deranged.

LiLiNovember 17th, 2009 at 11:35 pm

Sorry, I have to agree with Lisa on this one. Americans have a tendency to downplay excess weight these days. It is possible to be big and healthy but fat is fat is fat and looks completely different than muscle, something she would have a lot of if she regularly swam and ran. 75 lbs of fat is obese whether you like hearing it or not and it is not “taking care of yourself” as the girl claimed to do. I think this girl was a deluded one and the poster understood this the minute he saw her.

AliNovember 17th, 2009 at 11:44 pm

Wait, how do we know that the OP isn’t some scrawny asshole that thinks anyone over his weight is fat? He sounds pretty ignorant, too. So, even if she was truly fat.. the OP’s a pathetic bastard.

But, her spider wound and mom comments are so… wow. She’s out of her damn mind.

YGNovember 18th, 2009 at 1:02 am

Snippy, by your comment I can tell y0u’re the uneducated one, not I. The term “fell pregnant” is what we say in England, where I’m from. Maybe YOU need to get out and see more of the world and understand how people communicate beyond the keyboard. Pick up a newspaper or read something other than Yahoo! news or Myspace or ICanHazCheezburger. You’ll be amazed at what you find, truly, when you break out of your tiny protective shell.

Anyway, the guy reckoned it was 75 pounds just by eyesight. Estimating weight this way is very, very difficult. But since he’d decided this would never blossom into a romance (and ew, showing a brown recluse spider bite on the first date??), he’d also set his mind against passing a pleasant evening with a drink, a random stranger and maybe a bit of conversation, then going separate ways. He wasted his own time with such a crap attitude.

You can find amusement in almost anything…including the internet.

Maggie MayNovember 18th, 2009 at 4:37 am

Have to say I’m with YGNovember here. There wasn’t a scale in the room, I presume, so I would be very surprised if she were really that much overweight.

I guess the point to me is that even if she were, so what? Misrepresenting yourself – be it height, age, hair thickness – is all too common in online dating. If this is really the guy’s “very worst date” then he’s a lucky guy.

On the other hand, now I have a surefire exit strategy for guys I’m just not that into – “My mom would love to meet you!”

KellyNovember 18th, 2009 at 7:29 am

Also he said 75 pounds heavier than him-he could be scrawny. I thought they both sounded like bad dates though. Him for judging her right away and switching to stronger drinks. And her for her spider bite and Mom comment!

rawrNovember 18th, 2009 at 8:37 am

I’m not even going to touch the “fat” issue. :/

Showing a first date a huge chunk of your missing flesh and bringing up the parents on the first date is way too much, though.

rawrNovember 18th, 2009 at 8:59 am

Y’know, thinking about it, I think I will comment on the fat issue. I’m bored and have got too much time on my hands.

“Seventy-five pounds overweight isn’t merely ‘curvy’, it’s obese. No one can regularly run and swim and maintain that girth– it defies logic.”

The dude on the date didn’t say 75 pounds overweight, he said she looked like she outweighed him by 75 pounds. And for all anyone knows, she’s not “maintaining that girth.” She could be in the process of losing weight and could’ve been 50 pounds heavier when she started. Weight loss isn’t magical or instantaneous; it can take a long-ass time to lose a lot of weight.

But the whole thing is we don’t know. I don’t know, you don’t know, that guy over there doesn’t know, and certainly the guy on the date didn’t know. The internet tends to bring out the “I know everything about all situations from a single one-sided story/photo/article!” attitude and it just doesn’t work. We have no idea how overweight the woman was (or if she actually was, like Janipurr mentioned) and we have no idea what she actually does on a daily basis. To call somebody deranged, deluded, or manipulative based on an assumption is just kind of shitty.

ThailyNovember 18th, 2009 at 9:25 am

That’s what constitutes a bad date for you?
A fat chick who got bitten by a spider once?

Wow.. What a judgmental prick you are.
She really dodged a bullet.

oopnoopNovember 18th, 2009 at 10:43 am

@Dr_Know:
“In regards to the actual date – yeah he shouldn’t have been so judgemental, seriously switching to a stronger drink so you can talk to someone your not physically attracted to – that is unbelievebly shallow and douchey. I manage to talk to lots of people I’m not attracted to, perfectly sober. How do I manage? *sarcasm”

Okay this is NOT in regards to this dude, I mean douche… But the logic in the above statement seems off to me. It’s one thing to not be able to talk to people at all unless you’re attracted to them, but it’s different when you’re talking about finding yourself on a date with someone you would never willingly go on a date with. It would make a lot of people feel uncomfortable, in my opinion. I mean it’s pretty much a universally awkward situation — otherwise blind dates wouldn’t have such a bad reputation.

MiloNovember 18th, 2009 at 1:06 pm

Don’t listen to these broads, fat chicks are nasty. The spider bite and mom stuff was the icing on the cake. If you’re an in shape dude and are looking for the same, thats only fair.

MichelleNovember 18th, 2009 at 2:02 pm

I’m with Rawr on this one… We don’t know exactly how much she weighed, but what we can tell is that he felt misled from the conversations held to what he saw. I’m just loving the interaction “OMG, I can be overweight and still be healthy” people and the “Lady be misrepresentin’” group. Seriously, what is up with people defending being overweight? My best gal friend can out run me any day and she is a good 50 lbs over weight. My little sister could out eat me in a cupcake contest and wouldn’t walk a mile if I asked her to, and she is only 40 lbs overweight. Let’s just say sister doesn’t look as healthy, happy or as attractive as my friend who is healthy and all that. People, we know that you can be overweight and healthy — get off the “leave fat people alooooone” bandwagon.

Hate all you want, but one of my things I look for in a guy is a physically fit body. I am not going to chase after chubby guys because “they are nice guys.” I’ve done it before, and after being called “too skinny’ and “you work out too much,” I realized I needed someone with the same goals as me.

Taking out the whole weight issue and who misled who, this lady thought it was a grand idea to show off her mass of zombie flesh to a guy she was trying to get to know — unattractive idea, me thinks! Then she suggested a frolic in the hot tub as a way to cure his ails — not putting the “please respect me” foot forward, non?

LisaNovember 18th, 2009 at 7:31 pm

“To call somebody deranged, deluded, or manipulative based on an assumption is just kind of shitty.”

Making assumptions about anonymous people, in stories posted anonymously, seems a rather harmless past time to me. If I’m being ‘shitty’, who am I being shitty toward? To whom do I owe an apology?

Those who comment on this blog are akin to a book club– we’ve read the assigned material, then we discuss. My assumptions about Ms. Brown Recluse are no more affecting than my assumptions about Madame Bovary or Sophie Portnoy.

To the readers of this blog, the players are no different than fictional characters— we can wonder about them, make assumptions about them, praise them, or criticize them— all while having ZERO effect on their existence.

LisaNovember 18th, 2009 at 7:51 pm

I should have added:

My take on the situation could conceivably be called ‘flawed’, ‘unseemly’, ‘confused’, or ‘fallacious’ (among other things). What it’s NOT– in this case– is ‘shitty’. Shitty behavior requires a victim.

JNovember 18th, 2009 at 8:46 pm

Fat girls are nasty. Nuff said.

MichelleNovember 19th, 2009 at 10:47 am

Oooh, Lisa, I do enjoy your comments :D *applause*

ThailyNovember 19th, 2009 at 11:33 am

MiloNovember “Don’t listen to these broads, fat chicks are nasty.”
JNovember “Fat girls are nasty. Nuff said.”

If these two people have ever dated, and I seriously doubt it, I’m sure we’ll see the horrific accounts of their partners on this site soon enough.

burp..November 20th, 2009 at 1:21 pm

Alright. We obviously have quite a few larger chicks in this thread.

How about this: Eat less, move more. It is impossible to gain weight if you do not take in more energy then you will spend/burn.

(Well, if you can create matter from vacuum, please call the Nobel committee now)

:)

ThailyNovember 22nd, 2009 at 10:23 am

Ah yes, the “if you are defending X group from dumbass comments, you must be in X group of people”. By that logic, the last week I have also been a gay man, a Muslim man, a black man…

“burp..” is one of the reasons stupidity should hurt :)

JMNovember 22nd, 2009 at 12:17 pm

Neither dater sounds like a prize. (I, too, will leave the weight issue alone, as we don’t really know.)

kissmymangoNovember 23rd, 2009 at 12:15 pm

Sounds like people who don’t know anything about a certain topic should probably stop talking about it .

Defies logic, huh? Only if you get your “logic” from diet pill commercials.

Shapely Prose – read it, stop sounding uneducated!

RoseNovember 23rd, 2009 at 8:57 pm

On the “fat” issue, I’ll let you in on a little secret. There’s a disorder out there called PCOS aka Polycystic Ovarian Syndrome. Essentially, a woman who has it is “obese” because her body had a problem with trying to break down basic fats and such–the body produces too much insulin and doesn’t break down the proper cells. Certain medication and a strict diet and exercise regimen help a lot, but it is still extremely difficult to lose the weight. So, when you think she’s “fat” rethink what she’s doing to try to lose the weight. I weigh about 240 lbs, but I’ve lost quite a few due to an exercise regiment/diet change. Something to just keep in mind.

julesNovember 24th, 2009 at 4:57 pm

I know that sometimes spider bites can cause someone to gain weight very rapidly, usually due to clogged lymph vessels. My friend’s dad was bitten by one and went from a fit guy to a guy so obese that he could barely walk in the course of a year. She probably told you that so you would understand, which you obviously didn’t. I get that her appearance and behavior were unattractive, and you certainly shouldn’t date someone you find unattractive, but cut a girl some slack!

TinaNovember 25th, 2009 at 11:12 am

I feel bad for her. The fact that she had a chunk of her skin removed from a brown recluse bite must have been quite excruciating and traumatic!

KathDecember 3rd, 2009 at 9:22 pm

Honestly, I don’t fault the OP so much for being surprised that she was overweight, and for finding it difficult not to be attracted to her. Of course, the OP should realize that maybe she really does lead an active lifestyle now, and has been losing weight (but is obviously still up there, if what he has written is true). People have their types that they’re attracted to. Yes, it’s shallow, and I truly believe it’s possible to move past a person’s body type and fall in love with them anyway. But obviously the OP felt misled, and didn’t feel like he could move past that. And then, of course, any chance they might have had was totally destroyed when she mentioned her mom. Humans are humans. What more do you expect?

Just know that this is coming from a woman who is currently about 50 pounds overweight. I jog (every day), I swim, I hike, and during the summer I SCUBA dive. I’m losing weight now because I’ve become more active in ’09, but I’m still overweight and I still look overweight! So if he never really clarified her body type on the phone and assumed that she was thin based on the activities she did, then sure, there’s a reasonable room for error.

Also, I do want to add that if I went on a date where the guy showed me without invitation a hunk of flesh missing from one of his limbs due to a spider bite, I’d be grossed out and he’d lose points. Yuck!

HeatherDecember 23rd, 2009 at 9:36 am

You’re a fucking dick. Really? The date was horrible because she didn’t look how you expected? I love to swim and do yoga and i’m fat- i also eat a balanced vegan diet.. if you’re that superficial to begin with you should have asked “do you weight 120 lbs or do I need to cancel the date?” The spider bite thing.. yeah that would gross me out.. and maybe I wouldn’t have gone on a second date.. but you really need to be less of an ass.

HeatherDecember 23rd, 2009 at 9:40 am

Reading through some of the comments I want to add that if you think that it’s a simple matter of eat less and move more then you’re deluded. There are a number of other factors such as diseases, medications, metabolism, food intolerances, chemical imbalances…. the list goes on. Educate yourself before spouting ignorant hate.

MysteryGuestJanuary 13th, 2010 at 6:33 am

People! Be logical. I’m compelled to mention that if the OP was a remarkably scrawny 100 lbs, his estimate of his date’s weight would put her a fairly hefty 175. Naturally he would feel overwhelmed. I think he’s permitted those feelings without needing to be labeled a dick.

thomasFebruary 1st, 2010 at 6:25 pm

Oh, the joys of American denial. Of courseit couldn’t be the simply explanation – that said individual consumes more calories than she burns, and hence is obese. Instead, it must be medication, metabolism, or that old favourite, glandular. Or Jules’ brilliant theory – the spider done it! Unless this woman has tarantula flavoured chips, I somehow doubt it.
Fat people are a massive drain on the public health service, yet somehow defended to the hilt. If America is ever going to pull itself out of its current lethargy, this attitude needs to change. I find the site of a fat person wolfing down cheeseburgers as tragic and condemning as a smoker taking furtive drags outside the hospital doors. When it comes to the dating world, fat people might have as many rights as the next person. Lying about one’s weight is not one of them, whether that is direct or implied.

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