Time Slipped Away

I met a guy through OKCupid who seemed very mature and together. I was actually excited to meet him. On the set date, I sat outside the restaurant for ten minutes past waiting for him. I finally sent him a text saying, “I’m outside on the bench.” He came stumbling out of the restaurant and said, “Oh, uh, sorry, I forgot to tell you I was inside.” So, ok, I let it slide, he could have just been nervous, maybe saving a table for us. We went inside and sat at a bar. Granted it was a sushi bar, but they did serve sushi to the dozens of empty tables surrounding us.

So ok, again, I let it slide. I thought it might have been less awkward if we weren’t staring at each other, anyway. But as soon as I set my purse down, I realized that he already ordered. And he didn’t order food for us to share, he ordered food for himself. I ordered my food. His food came before mine does, obviously, and he proceeded to eat all of his food before mine was even made.

At this point, I was pretty sure the date was a bust. But I tried to give him the benefit of the doubt and chalked up his behavior to nerves. I tried to keep the conversation going because he was pretty much silent the entire time. Whatever he did say, it was long and drawn out and very boring. The conversation that was had was him talking about anime conventions and video games. He was very pompous in the way he spoke too. Annoyed the snot out of me.

I was done. I couldn’t take this train wreck any longer. I headed to the bathroom and racked my brain about how in the hell I could get out of there. I came up with the excuse that my roommate was sick and I had to go take care of her. He buys it. So we got the checks. And they were separate checks, mind you. Usually you have to ask specifically for separate checks so I wondered when he had done that.

I ended up paying for my own meal. He even paid his bill first. He could have easily offered to pay mine, but he didn’t even offer. I’m not a sexist person, but it’s pretty common knowledge that on a first date, the guy pays.

Now any normal person would have looked at that date and thought it was a complete disaster. But not this winner. I’d barely got on the road when he sent me a text that said, “I had a really good time! I would love to see you again. Let me know when you’re free.” He actually thought the date went well.

I realized later that our date only lasted 47 minutes. I desperately wish I could get those 47 minutes of my life back.

Comments (50)
KitApril 9th, 2010 at 7:58 am

Eh, just sounds like your standard socially awkward dork. I’ve had this issue before as I’m a geeky chick who would like to date a geeky guy but they all tend to be like that. (He sounds almost exactly like this dude I met at GameStop. Seemed normal on the surface until he unveiled he had 0 experience with girls. 27 years old with only one past girlfriend and still a virgin) I’m happy now with my punk rock guy. He’s no geek but he has social skills so that works for me.

bellerophonApril 9th, 2010 at 8:09 am

LOL although saddened you had to go through this and all, it was nevertheles funny as hell! Thank you for sharing- In a more optimistic sense, maybe these 47mns made you wiser, if that makes a tad @ ease about it lol

HelenApril 9th, 2010 at 8:19 am

I personally never like having the guy pay for my meal or drinks or whatever on a first date, especially when I know that a second date won’t be happening.

karenApril 9th, 2010 at 8:37 am

it sounded like he was a little messed up in what he thought was a good date. should have read up on the etiquette. Do agree with the geekineess, did that before(including the social immaturity) not my think. I am now happily married to a more socially adept uber geek, and I get free customer service on all things computer related. HAH That is the problem with dating, the emails and phone can sound great but then its all behind the wall of the computer so you don’t know how they are until you see them in person. You hope for honesty but it doesn’t always happen…..

MeshellApril 9th, 2010 at 8:45 am

“I’m not a sexist person, but it’s pretty common knowledge that on a first date, the guy pays.”

Really? REALLY? REAAAAAALLY? Not sexist at all, but it is pretty common knowledge that a girl puts out on the first date, right? And don’t want to get too sexist on this one, but shouldn’t a guy give up his seat to any female on the train?

Jeez, I can’t get over that comment. I’m not saying the date wasn’t lame, but your attitude really stinks. He might have thought the first date was you two just hanging out. Since all of my very best relationships started out as friends hanging out, I have to say… qq more newb, kthxbye.

LucyApril 9th, 2010 at 9:06 am

The date sounds pretty ho-hum, and if it’s your “very worst date” I think you’re lucky.

In my opinion though it’s definitely not common knowledge that the guy pays on the first date. I’ve been on plenty of dates where it’s gone both ways, and while I personally like it when they pay, I don’t necessarily expect it. If you expect them to pay, they may expect that you’re going to re-pay them so to speak. Especially if you don’t see yourself having another date with the person, you may not want to put yourself in the position of “owing” them anything.

It just sounds like this guy had little dating/social experience and there were no sparks. Better luck next time! :)

Marv in DCApril 9th, 2010 at 9:17 am

“I’m not a sexist person, but it’s pretty common knowledge that on a first date, the guy pays.”

Actually, Yes you are a sexist person.

LalliApril 9th, 2010 at 9:28 am

What’s wrong with splitting the check? Be a modern woman, geez. It’s just easier if you’re dating and you’re in college and broke, or if you don’t want to feel as though you “owe” him anything. It’s okay to split a check, really.

And, being a geeky guy, he probably didn’t have much experience dating, was really nervous and wasn’t sure how things should go. So you guys didn’t click? That’s not a horrible date…

GlennApril 9th, 2010 at 9:47 am

Yeah, I’m pretty sure you’re a terrible date.

tronnerApril 9th, 2010 at 10:24 am

I do love how people stating “it’s pretty common knowledge that….” quickly find out that it isn’t.

gregApril 9th, 2010 at 11:36 am

I am so glad you didn’t give him a 2nd chance as so many here do, thinking, oh well, maybe he was nervousm NOT, more oh well, he’s an idiot

KatApril 9th, 2010 at 11:54 am

If you ordered at separate times, why is it so weird that you would get separate checks? Also, god forbid you pay for your own meal when you don’t even plan on seeing the guy again.

rawrApril 9th, 2010 at 12:19 pm

Common knowledge, eh? Actually, the etiquette is whoever does the inviting is the one who pays.

Usually I’m the one saying “Even if the date wasn’t that bad compared to some of the other stuff on here, it doesn’t invalidate the submitter’s as their very worst date,” but this one just wasn’t that bad. Yeah, it was lame and awkward and it’s obviously the dude is completely clueless, but this is pretty small potatoes in the grand scheme of things. You’re very lucky if this was your very worst date.

KateApril 9th, 2010 at 12:20 pm

Hey, the guy doesn’t have to pay on the first date. Welcome to the 21st century.

Plus if you made up that excuse before the checks came, he probably knew better then to pick up your tab.

MeagApril 9th, 2010 at 12:38 pm

i don’t think it’s strange that he ordered before you..clearly he got to the restaurant well before you did…maybe in the 15 min he was waiting for you, the staff pressured him to order or maybe he thought he was getting stood up…also the restaurant prob gave you two bills since you ordered at different times – plus, you weren’t at a table so it’s not like it was the table’s bill

ThandiApril 9th, 2010 at 12:40 pm

I knew that some people would bash the OP for not liking the idea of a split check because they don’t agree with it. How ethnocentric is that?! It IS actually common knowledge (in the ‘western world’) that a GENTLEMAN gets the check, the same way its commnon knowledge that an average woman spends more time with children than a man, or that men only wear pants and shorts, hardly ever skirts and dresses. Social standards exist, that’s just the way of the world. 21st century or not. So judge her by the society she was raised in and understand why this is a problem for her.

That said I wouldn’t have a second date with a guy that split the check either.

JaredApril 9th, 2010 at 12:59 pm

You sound really arrogant.

kateApril 9th, 2010 at 1:02 pm

I always try to make sure ahead of time that I know who’s paying for what on my dates. That way, no one is surprised when the check comes.

ShiyaApril 9th, 2010 at 1:25 pm

Whenever I’m meeting someone at a restaurant, the first one to arrive gets a table and the other person asks if they got there. I’m in agreement with the earlier person who said that maybe he felt like he was beings stood up, so he ordered. And yeah, I don’t think it’s “common knowledge” that guys pay on the first date, at all. Since you don’t know if it’ll progress any further at that point, I think a split check is best.

LisaApril 9th, 2010 at 1:53 pm

I’m always slightly irritated when someone says, “The etiquette is such-and-such…” To me it implies that there’s some godlike greater authority who must be obeyed– it almost has religious overtones.

Etiquette is just conventional good manners. Rather than slavishly following convention, I think it’s more sound to ask yourself what good manners ARE. To me, they consist of treating others as I wish to be treated, and then I defer only to what’s logical.

Why should I expect that whoever proposes we share a meal at a restaurant to automatically pay? Perhaps they’ll offer, perhaps I’ll even allow them to pay– but why’s it an etiquette RULE?

There are plenty of etiquette rules that I follow because they incidentally fit into MY rules– I give up my seat to the elderly because I want to be offered seats when I’M elderly. I use the salad fork because that’s the logical choice in the scheme of things. I chew with my mouth closed because I don’t want to be forced to witness others chewing with THEIR mouths open.

But etiquette rules that are mysterious commandments from on high are to be heartily ignored: man must pay on the first date/he who invites must pay/brides must wear white/no wearing of white until after labor day– these are for only the socially-terrified, to memorize and obey.

LisaApril 9th, 2010 at 2:04 pm

(Should have added “etc..” to my list of illogical rules– there are plenty more than the examples I chose to cite.)

CJApril 9th, 2010 at 4:41 pm

Meshell- no, common knowledge is women put out on the THIRD date. ;)

CJApril 9th, 2010 at 4:44 pm

oh, and I have no real problem with the splitting of the check, but it was rude of him to order/eat before his date.

MaryApril 9th, 2010 at 5:26 pm

I agree with Thandi.

SikaApril 9th, 2010 at 8:57 pm

@kate…how is that working for you?

wowApril 9th, 2010 at 9:56 pm

I’m not a sexist person, but it’s pretty common knowledge that women cook food for men and clean up after them.

See! I can say sexist things and simultaneously deny being sexist, too! Aren’t we special?

Also, he didn’t pay for your meal? Baww.. what a poor little princess! Come off it.

wowApril 9th, 2010 at 10:24 pm

thandi- what the hell? ethnocentric? do you even know what that means? also, are you stuck in the 50s?

actually, in the WESTERN WORLD today, where i currently inhabit, men do not always pick up the tab. oh, and there’s lots of crossdressers. maybe you should be a little more knowledgeable before you go speaking for an entire group of people (the west) by only representing the cultural practices of a smaller group of people. it might sound a little, oh… ethnocentric :)

rawrApril 9th, 2010 at 10:33 pm

Etiquette’s designed to make social interaction run more smoothly. The inviter doing the paying thing is a common courtesy to make the decision of who pays easier. Obviously you don’t have to follow it if you don’t want to. It would’ve helped in this circumstance, especially since they obviously had different expectations about the date. I’m not quite sure why you’re irritated at the notion or why you think this or any of those other things are rules sent down from The Man to oppress the poor helpless would-be sheeple. Being hyperbolic is not helpful.

rawrApril 9th, 2010 at 10:34 pm

Etiquette’s designed to make social interaction run more smoothly. The inviter doing the paying thing is a common courtesy to make the decision of who pays easier. Obviously you don’t have to follow it if you don’t want to. It would’ve helped in this circumstance, especially since they obviously had different expectations about the date. I’m not quite sure why you’re irritated at the notion or why you think this or any of those other things are rules sent down from The Man to oppress the poor helpless would-be sheeple. Being hyperbolic is not helpful.

rawrApril 9th, 2010 at 10:35 pm

Etiquette is just guidelines designed to make social interaction run more smoothly. The inviter doing the paying thing is a common courtesy to make the decision of who pays easier. Obviously you don’t have to follow it if you don’t want to. It would’ve helped in this circumstance, especially since they obviously had different expectations about the date. I’m not quite sure why you’re irritated at the notion or why you think this or any of those other things are rules sent down from The Man to oppress the poor helpless would-be sheeple. Being hyperbolic is not helpful.

rawrApril 9th, 2010 at 10:40 pm

Shit son, triple post. :c

LisaApril 10th, 2010 at 5:52 am

Raw- The reason why I find it irritating is because people tend to make statements like,

“but it’s common knowledge that on a first date, the guy pays”.
“Actually, the etiquette is whoever does the inviting is the one who pays.”

as if they’re offering a persuasive argument, when they’re merely offering an argument by consensus.

You yourself say that this “rule” needn’t necessarily be followed, but when the OP’s date chose NOT to follow it, the OP invoked the “common knowledge” rule, then you invoked the “etiquette” rule.

kittyApril 10th, 2010 at 7:18 am

Yeah…so you didn’t think to check inside the restaurant? And you seethed in silent fury when he talked about ANIME and then *gasp!* expected you to pay for your portion of the meal? Dunno, sounds like he dodged a bullet.

wutApril 10th, 2010 at 10:24 am

You were golden until the end when you turned into a shallow bitch about him not paying for your food.

wutApril 10th, 2010 at 10:25 am

You were golden until the end when you turned into a shallow bitch about him not paying for your food.

HeatherApril 10th, 2010 at 4:12 pm

“Usually you have to ask specifically for separate checks so I wondered when he had done that.” He ordered before you even showed up. Sushi joints write up the bill as you order. He was alone when he ordered, so the bill was totaled. Were they all supposed to know you showed up late and stood outside expectantly as if he’d just be waiting around for you? And sushi is REALLY cheap. It’s not like he made you pay for a steak dinner, which is probably what you expected out of a first date, judging by this story.

NEJoyApril 10th, 2010 at 8:17 pm

I’d never expect a guy to pay, and I’ll always offer to pay my share of the bill, but if he’s the one who asked me out, then I do get a little irritated if he doesn’t at least offer.

And if he got there so much earlier than the OP that he needed to get something to eat, it should have been an appetizer, not his main meal.

lunaApril 11th, 2010 at 1:33 am

It’s not “common knowledge” that the guy pays on the first date, by any stretch of the imagination. Expecting it is, yes, a little bit sexist.
Also, why is the word “anime” in italics? It sounds like you’re trying to make it sound more foreign and starnge than it is, maybe to make the guy seem weird for liking it, but it’s a pretty common word nowadays – would you put words like “biscotti” in italics?
I will definitely agree that it was really rude of him to order and eat before you though – that’s just terrible manners.

Ellen in EuropeApril 11th, 2010 at 3:56 am

Awful date, but funny to read

Well, not waiting for the OP to order his food, was the rudest of things…Aren’t we supposed to show some consideration, even on a first date ? And not monopolize the topics of the conversation ? :D

LauraApril 11th, 2010 at 6:16 pm

I’m not going to argue whether it’s common knowledge or not, but I’d also be very unlikely to go on a second date with a guy who didn’t at least offer to pay.

It’s not about the money. I make a good salary and I tend to be more than generous with money in relationships. It’s about attitude. I want to be with a chivalrous guy who isn’t cheap.

That said, I’ve picked up the entire bill before when I realised I wasn’t interested in the guy I was out with.

ian in hamburgApril 11th, 2010 at 8:14 pm

I can’t understand why people are attacking the OP here. She went on a date with someone who shows such sociopathic tendencies as extreme self-centredness and a total lack of empathy. I don’t see why she just didn’t get up, leave some money on table for her portion, and leave him sitting there. He acted as if he didn’t care one way or another.

wowApril 11th, 2010 at 9:36 pm

dude. the guy didn’t talk about much except anime, he was waiting inside for his date while she was outside, and he didnt offer to pay for her meal. that makes him a sociopath?![ really?! do some commenters on this site just like to throw around words they don't fully understand?] the guy was socially awkward, sure. but you’re going way too far to even suggest he is a sociopath.
also, the only person who seems self-centered here is the OP, who’s whining about not getting a free meal and thinks she can say sexist things but still “not be a sexist”

Um_let_me_see_April 11th, 2010 at 11:25 pm

If you knew you were going to sushi bar why wouldn’t you look up info on how sushi bars work? You don’t sit around and wait for another persons food while your fish is just sitting out. You also don’t order all at once if you’re sitting at the bar(only at the tables). Two is a perfectly acceptable number to sit at the bar together so they can converse with the chef and thus get the freshest cuts of fish. BTW…

EmApril 12th, 2010 at 1:17 am

I’m in agreement with most people here that his major faux pas was to order before she arrived, and not the check-splitting. Personally, with internet dates and ESPECIALLY dates where I know there won’t be another, I don’t like the guy to pay for me. I think that the first internet date is really a pre-date in which people get to know eachother and make the decision to try a real date.

IsIt?April 12th, 2010 at 4:23 am

He made you pay for your own food?? Good God! I do hope you called the police!

ThandiApril 12th, 2010 at 10:24 am

I guess my post did sound a little arrogant, thanks for pointing it out to me. That’s not how it was meant to come across though… I’ll just leave it by saying that we all have different standards and expectations and mine are currently under review because
I wouldn’t want to be expected to cook and clean, so maybe I shouldn’t expect a guy to get the check. …hmmm…

Intergalactic human of mysteryApril 13th, 2010 at 9:27 am

Bad date, but not terrible. Common knowledge is a nice was to say “my opinion, which is better than yours”.

Was this really that bad?April 14th, 2010 at 12:50 am

…Why the pointed mention of “anime (her italics, not mine) and video games”? I’m an avid gamer (video and tabletop) and I enjoy anime as a cultural style. Is it really that evil and immature?

The date may have been silence apart from sporadic sentences, but if he’s like some of the gamers I know, he was probably nervous being in a (possibly new to him) social situation and was trying to fill in awkward silences with the only thing that he could think of at the time.

I’m a female in my mid-20s, I’ve never been on a date in my life. I’d have no idea what to say or how to act, and I’d be nervous, self-conscious and looking for stable ground to branch discussions from. I’d also be hoping for understanding from my date.

If he was in the restaurant, he may have been pressured to order. But ordering early and alone was the only faux pas I could see in this post. I’d not expect a guy to pay for me, or even offer to.

MehaApril 15th, 2010 at 3:01 pm

I feel sorry for both parties in this story! It really sounds like this guy had very few social skills in his little bag of tricks, and it also sounds like they were not a good social match; as evidenced by the reply posts, the interest factor of anime and the decision of who pays for what and when depends on the person’s point of view. I think some of these “rules” are evolving as the dating scene explodes into new territories, but I think a lot of social customs are in place because we collectively establish general guidlines for behaving in a gracious and respectful manner towards others.

I sometimes notice awkward dates when I’m at restaurants, and I always wonder what hilarious (and painful!) interactions waiters and waitresses overhear and see. I love being third party to the strange bits of conversation you overhear anywhere (the emergency room, the bus, the ladies room). Restaurants are the preferred petri dish for the weird dates of the world.

noodleApril 16th, 2010 at 10:50 am

I am a geeky girl who is in to anime and video games and I have dated a lot of geeky guys. I agree with the poster above who said that this is common with them. Really, it is. I just chalked it up to them having little experience dating and probably a little need of improved social skills. They aren’t all like that, I promise!

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