Whole Nut Pancake

Scott, a guy that I had met on the internet was visiting me in my hometown for the first time. We spent the day shopping and hanging out and around dinnertime he said he felt like having some pancakes for dinner. He wondered if I knew of any restaurants that would still be serving pancakes. I told him there were two restaurants that were right across the street from each other in the town that we’d have to drive through to get home.

He wanted to know if either of them were expensive. I told him they were both comparable to Denny’s. Then he asked if we could stop by the grocery store for some milk. When I asked him why, he said he liked to have lots of milk to drink with his pancakes, but at Denny’s they charged him by the glass. He didn’t want to take any chances and didn’t want to have to pay for five or six glasses of milk.

We went to the first restaurant with his quart of milk hidden under his coat. When the hostess tried to seat us, Scott asked to see the menu before we sat down. He flipped to the page with the pancakes. He demanded to know if he would get five pancakes like the picture showed. When the hostess assured him he would, he asked if they were full-size pancakes or silver-dollar pancakes. She showed him with her hands about how big around they were. He snorted.

“Humph. So about four inches, huh. They look bigger in the picture. It’s such a rip-off to buy pancakes at a restaurant.”

“I think we should go,” he whispered to me. “We don’t have to eat here. Didn’t you say there’s another place around? It’s just for five 4-inch pancakes, they want $4.99. That’s almost a buck twenty-five per pancake!”

We sneaked out while the hostess had her back turned and proceeded to have the exact same conversation with the hostess across the street. Unfortunately, this restaurant was even worse than the first one. They were charging $5.50 for four 5-inch pancakes. Not only were they more expensive, there was one pancake less! The outrage!

Scott hung his head in despair, “Isn’t there anywhere else we can go? This is your town. Where can we get good pancakes?”

I told him that the two restaurants we had already been at served perfectly good pancakes. I didn’t think there was anywhere we could go that would give us FREE pancakes, though. Since we were both hungry, I suggested we just pick the lesser of the two evil flapjack joints.

“So, you’re okay with paying those outrageous prices? I should have figured. Women have no idea how to economize,” he said.

Eventually, we ended up just going home and I made him pancakes from scratch. After all, we already had the milk.

Comments (63)
LiAugust 18th, 2010 at 5:24 am

Wow, what a tight fisted loser. Though I think you were a bit too nice making him pancakes after he was that lame, you should have made HIM make the pancakes LOL

GemmaAugust 18th, 2010 at 5:28 am

Surely he should have enquired into the relative thickness of the pancakes at the two establishments, otherwise you’re just gonna get ripped off. This story made me giggle, I admire your patience! although I think you should have charged him $3 for the pancakes you made!

LisaAugust 18th, 2010 at 6:01 am

I would have given him the heave-ho when he insisted on bringing his own milk to a restaurant. (Denny’s actually charges PER glass of milk? Unconscionable swine! Mom used to refill my glass for free!)

You should have forced him to make HIS OWN friggin’ pancakes— he should have had to buy all ingredients, prepare the pancakes, serve, then wash the dishes. A little lesson on the division of labor.

ChristyAugust 18th, 2010 at 6:08 am

Can you imagine the day to day fun of living with this guy?

LisaAugust 18th, 2010 at 6:09 am

What’s more, I have a sneaking suspicion that four 5″ pancakes trump five 4″ pancakes. Is there a mathlete here who can back me up?

Urban SpliffAugust 18th, 2010 at 6:17 am

Lisa – love the Pink Floyd cow :)

I’m still trying to wrap my mind around the fact that after all this nonsense, the girl ended up cooking for him. Maybe it was purely maternal. This jackoff was whining the entire time – literally a baby crying for milk – so he was able to appeal to her maternal nature.

That is why this seems so alien to me. He was begging for the bottle to be busted over his head and he being left on the side of the road – a much needed dose of reality.

SarahAugust 18th, 2010 at 6:20 am

They are both 20 inches of pancakes, Lisa.
5×4 = 4×5
I would probably get the 4″ pancakes. I could never eat that much pancake and this would be easier to take home lol.

But yeah this guy seems really weird…I agree that the milk should have been a clue, but then again, we all ignore clues when we like someone!

nachturnalAugust 18th, 2010 at 6:31 am

Area of a circle is (pi) * r^2

A five-inch pancake has an area of (pi)*(5)^2 = 25(pi). A four-inch pancake has an area of 16(pi). Four five-inch pancakes will be a total pancake area (not including thickness) of 100(pi), where five four-inch pancakes would be 80(pi).

And yeah, I’d never date someone that cheap.

LisaAugust 18th, 2010 at 6:46 am

Urban Spliff- Atom Heart Mother may not be Pink Floyd’s best effort, but it makes a better avatar than the factory from Animals.

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If my high-school dropout-with-help-from-webmath.com calculations are correct, the four 5″ pancakes are about 20% more than the five 4″ pancakes. A spectacular value at $5.50.

ickAugust 18th, 2010 at 7:20 am

LOL whut? Why would you cook for this douche after all that, plus the sexist insult? I hope that was the one and only time.

DirkAugust 18th, 2010 at 7:51 am

Final two sentences render the story unbelievable. Until then I bought it.

GemmaAugust 18th, 2010 at 8:02 am

@Sarah that’s not right te area of panckae is proportional to the radius squared so it would be 5 x 4 x 4 = 80 compared to 4x 5x 5 = 100 so the 4 5 inch pancakes was a better deal. (I’m such a massive geek)

TanekAugust 18th, 2010 at 8:02 am

Sarah you are incorrect.

The area of a circle is determined by pi time the radius squared.

I’m assuming the OP was talking diameter so the 4 inch pancakes of a total area of 12.56 inches.

The 5 inch pancakes would have a total area of 19.63 inches.

so 12.56 x 5 = 62.8 inches
and 19.63 x 4 = 78.5 inches

So we need to break that down by the price difference
62.8/4.99 = 12.59 cents per inch of pancake
78.5/5.50=14.27 cents per inch of pancake

The second place has more total pancake, however the better deal for your wallet would be the five 4 in. pancakes at the first restaurant.

However, a major flaw to this formula is that pancakes are not actual circles, they have depth as well. Therefore if one restaurant made significantly thicker pancakes than my calculations would be moot.

KatAugust 18th, 2010 at 8:03 am

The next time I want some girl to make me pancakes for free I’m totally trying this!

TanekAugust 18th, 2010 at 8:04 am

@Gemma you forgot to calculate the price difference in your formula, and it’s also radius squared not diameter.

@Dirk I agree with you, the last lines clearly make the story fake…If a girl did something like that to me, I wouldn’t even think about letting her know where I live much less cook for her.

SAugust 18th, 2010 at 8:21 am

Tanek, you are correct up until the price difference. By dividing area by price, you get sq. inch per $.
You need to divide price by area to get $/s.i.
The smaller pancakes are 8 cents an inch, and the big ones are a mere 7 cents an inch.
This does assume an equal thickness.

Yes, I am a huge nerd.

tronnerAugust 18th, 2010 at 8:28 am

This sounds like a story problem from a college placement test.

TanekAugust 18th, 2010 at 8:37 am

You are correct, I divided incorrectly.

It should be:
62.8/4.99 = 12.59 square inches of pancake per dollar
78.5/5.50=14.27 square inches of pancaked per dollar

So the second deal provides both more pancake and a better value

CadyAugust 18th, 2010 at 8:38 am

What a freak.

LisaAugust 18th, 2010 at 8:41 am

Glad that’s settled. OP– where’s that second pancake house, exactly?

TheRestOfTheStoryAugust 18th, 2010 at 8:41 am

I can’t believe they used Myspace camera angles on their pancakes. What was the name of these two places, that I may write the Better Business Bureau?

YGAugust 18th, 2010 at 8:49 am

Erm…did it occur to anyone that having her make homemade pancakes was his plan all along, that he would probably turn up his nose wherever they went?

I can’t believe she fell for it. If this was a steak he was on about, that’d be one thing, but pancakes? Something that’s mostly flour and liquid? Like complaining about a pie crust after you’ve eaten the yummy yummy pie goodness.

PhoenixAugust 18th, 2010 at 9:29 am

ok guys, who the f*ck cares about the size and which is the better deal? For god’s sake, they’re just pancakes! Stop blowing this crap out of proportion.

The OP was sweet enough to make him pancakes after all that cry baby, spoiled, cheap@ss sh*t he pulled. She could have turned into a b*tch and ditched him the moment he wanted to hit the store up. What a waste of time.

tronnerAugust 18th, 2010 at 9:36 am

Wow, Phoenix…I thought the calculations were sort of funny.

bamffAugust 18th, 2010 at 9:42 am

This is the best comment section ever for a post. Math problems at lunch! Brings back hives from high school math!

SarahAugust 18th, 2010 at 9:47 am

Ok I made a mistake. It was early. I only need one person to tell me though ;)
Anyway, you guys are probably wrong too, because pancakes are never exact circles.
Not to mention, it’s not such a big deal.

!August 18th, 2010 at 9:53 am

S, thanks for restoring my faith in humanity.

oiAugust 18th, 2010 at 9:54 am

I think you all are wrong. Do you know anything about flour, oil and other ingredients quality? What if the second guy is using cheap ingredients that will eat your stomach from inside? eh? or one of the kitchen is really dirty and they don’t wash the dishes properly? If you are going to be OCD about cheap-joint food you should be at least perfect. No?

LalliAugust 18th, 2010 at 10:11 am

Since the guy was visiting her in her hometown from presumably somewhere far away, maybe he was already staying with her? That would explain why maybe she finally caved and let him come to her house to eat pancakes. It was the good hostess in her trying to be accommodating, not the poor girl on a bad date who can escape.

I’m curious to know if she broke it off with him after that. I’m assuming so…but you never know.

tronnerAugust 18th, 2010 at 10:12 am

@ Oi. Not to mention Butter v. Margarine, Real v. Fake Maple Syrup

JayAugust 18th, 2010 at 10:15 am

And they all lived happily ever after.

lisaAugust 18th, 2010 at 10:30 am

Phoenix– don’t mask your math deficiencies in too-cool-for-school attitude. The ability to calculate pancake-value is what separates man from beast.

oiAugust 18th, 2010 at 10:33 am

exactly Tronner!

“The ability to calculate pancake-value is what separates man from beast.”
So true!!! You are the man, Lisa! :P

SAugust 18th, 2010 at 10:34 am

Lisa, I’ve mentioned this before, but I heart you.
Are you into nerdy, married guys with children?
No?

Pancake PatsyAugust 18th, 2010 at 10:53 am

I’m the OP. This happened in a small town in CA and the two restaurants in question are Carrows and Buttercup Pantry, both on Main Street. And Lalli has it exactly correct. We could have driven around for hours looking for the cheapest pancakes in town, but it wasn’t like I could just dump him on the side of the road, since he was 500 miles from home. And yes, we didn’t see too much of each other after that.

Interestingly, after this incident he told me that he was SHOCKED to find out ALL his friends thought he was a cheapskate. He thought of himself as “frugal” and “economical,” but apparently “cheap” is something quite different in his book.

gregAugust 18th, 2010 at 10:59 am

I’ve heard that size matters.

ThandiAugust 18th, 2010 at 11:13 am

Agreed bamff.

All these seemingly smart math geeks are making my Eng Lit self feel left out. I wish I could remember all those numbers and formulas from high-school :(

I gave this story 5 stars; 4 stars for the comments (LMAO) and 1 star for the OPs classic way to end a date- by reinforcing old gender stereotypes to an undeserving obsessive- compulsive cheap mama’s boy.

MMMichelleAugust 18th, 2010 at 11:27 am

The fact you cooked for him makes my vagina die a little. Yes sir! Right away sir!

CubicleMouseAugust 18th, 2010 at 12:21 pm

This is the funniest date I’ve read here so far. I’m working on something here and I think this illustrates it, but it might not be exactly what was going on with this date so bear with me:

The Stages of a Bad Date

Stage 1: Denial.

“Okay, so he wants to sneak in his own milk. I’ve taken candy into a movie theatre, so I guess this isn’t that bad. Weird, though.”

Stage 2: Bewilderment.

“Is this happening? Why… yes. Yes it is. We’re… we’re shopping around– FOR PANCAKES!”

Stage 3: Bargaining.

“Okay, maybe he didn’t really think this was a date-date. Maybe I’m in the friend zone. Maybe he just feels that comfortable with me.”

Stage 4: Anger.

“That’s so stupid! Of course this is a date!”

Stage 5: Self-loathing.

“I can’t believe I agreed to go out with this guy. I can’t believe I’m still in this date– a stronger woman would’ve walked out hours ago.”

Stage 6: Panic.

“I’ve got to get out of this date.”

Stage 7: Acceptance.

“Fine! I’ll just make his damn pancakes and send him home. No one needs to be embarrassed here. I can be the bigger person here.”

Frau BlucherAugust 18th, 2010 at 12:44 pm

LOL! I would have just bought toaster pancakes and said here, take these home with you, you cheap piece of shit.

YanAugust 18th, 2010 at 1:12 pm

I’d have made some pancakes rather than listening to him whine about 50 cents and the amount of pancakes too. It doesen’t have to be a gender statement.

If he lived down the road, that would have been one thing, but the guy came 500 miles to see her, a bit of annoyance isn’t going to kill her just to keep things smooth until he leaves.

TanekAugust 18th, 2010 at 1:29 pm

From what I’ve seen from most of the posters on this site you need to add:

Stage 8: Second Date (go back to Step 1)

adminAugust 18th, 2010 at 2:12 pm

@Cubicle Mouse – hilarious!

DuncanAugust 18th, 2010 at 2:39 pm

@Tanek et al – But what if the pancakes at the first place are thicker? Shouldn’t we be working in dollars per cubic inch rather than dollars per square inch? OP – in the name of good pancake economics we demand you return to the pancake places… a few dozen times each… with a ruler and give us an idea of the average thickness.

If smuggling in your own milk isn’t cheap, what the devil is?

#August 18th, 2010 at 2:39 pm

Every time I think I can’t be surprised by the jerky comments on this site, someone surprises me again. “The fact you cooked for him makes my vagina die a little.” He was STAYING with her. If you’re the host, it’s pretty normal to cook for a guest. That’s not a feminist issue, it’s good manners, and the OP got rid of the guy after this, so it’s not like she became his little housewife. Leave your vag out of it.

SAugust 18th, 2010 at 3:24 pm

Yeah, there are a lot of variables, including blueberries, chocolate chips, pancake thickness, amount of air whipped in, etc., not to mention that there will certainly be variation in the diameter of the pancakes.
A more accurate method would be to weigh each batch to get a price per ounce comparison.
None of this changes that the guy is really cheap and was passive-aggressively trying to get the OP to make him free pancakes at her home.

SJPAugust 18th, 2010 at 3:56 pm

My favorite thread in quite a while. Thanks all.

MaryAugust 18th, 2010 at 4:30 pm

What say Andrew!

MaikosAugust 18th, 2010 at 6:52 pm

First time commenting just because I’m shocked no one else has pointed this out: 5 pancakes (the 4″ ones) for $4.99 is not a buck twenty-five, but about a dollar per pancake. Unless he was including tip in the price as well… but something about his cheapskate nature suggests that he’s just bad at math.

LisaAugust 18th, 2010 at 8:38 pm

SA– thanks for hearting me, especially since I’m regarded by many on this site as a scourge. (I prefer to think of it as culling my admirers to an easily-manageable elite!) :)

VTAugust 19th, 2010 at 3:33 am

OP, you should have charged the guy for at least the cost of the labor of making those pancakes. If it was recent and took you a half an hour, that’s $4 in minimum wage! Add in the cost of ingredients, and $4.99 probably wouldn’t look too bad at all…

Really, though, I probably just would have picked up his tab, for those prices. And told him that the chance to sit and relax and chat rather than having to make pancakes and worry if my cooking skills measure up is worth the extra money.

laurenAugust 19th, 2010 at 4:25 am

who cares if the OP made him pancakes in the end, he clearly wasn’t a bad guy, just a little annoying. I’m fed up of tiresome comments about how the OP shouldn’t have done this or that.

Urban SpliffAugust 19th, 2010 at 8:05 am

Lisa:

You get a double-heart for your excellent taste in classic rock :)

And I disagree – a floating pig over Battery Sea Park would be an excellent avatar!

ickAugust 19th, 2010 at 8:48 am

Clearly wasn’t a bad guy? LOL. *deep breath AHAHAHAAAAHAHAHAHAHAHAAHAAAAAA

AnAugust 19th, 2010 at 11:27 am

Wow, you took him home and made me some pancakes? What’s wrong with you, woman?

mystic_eye_cdaAugust 19th, 2010 at 4:54 pm

Maikos,

You actually made me *lol*. I can’t believe I didn’t pick up the math error. But its even funnier that no one else did. I needed that, its been a looooooooooooooooooooong day

CJAugust 19th, 2010 at 9:03 pm

lol @ all the math.

Also, while I’m a great cook, if someone tried to get ME to make pancakes by whining about prices at Denny’s-like restaurants, they’d be disappointed. I don’t like pancakes OR jerks. ;)

tronnerAugust 20th, 2010 at 2:40 pm

A bit late, perhaps…but I found this interesting. http://www.nytimes.com/2010/08/21/your-money/21money.html?_r=1&hp

OiAugust 22nd, 2010 at 9:06 pm

People are so lovely when they attribute one trait to a whole gender. Gosh, it’s not like every lady is an individual or something.

You poor gal.

SpankyAugust 23rd, 2010 at 11:24 am

I just fuckin’ hate cheap bastards.

pkAugust 23rd, 2010 at 6:02 pm

What a cheap jerk! This was funny – but honestly, in the end I either would have 1) paid for the darn pancakes for both of us myself before sending him on his way the next day (only because he was staying with the OP, so you couldn’t just come up with an excuse and run) or 2) Bought myself pancakes at the restaurant and made him make his own pancakes at home – not before making him buy the supplies to do this at the grocery store with his own money (since, gosh darnit, I just didn’t have any handy at home – even if I did). Why be so nice when clearly this date was a cheap nut and insulting to women?

sandySeptember 12th, 2010 at 7:29 pm

A lot of people from my dad’s generation would take this as a cute story. <.< I think it's freaking insane. If some guy ran around with milk in his coat making me look crazy in the only two pancake places in my small town I'd wonder if he was conditioning me to come back to his bunker and only communicate with the outside world via HAM radio.

But as a chick I understand how she got conditioned to facilitate his terrible personality problems.

Another commenter mentioned he should try making the pancakes , cleaning up the kitchen and do the dishes and see how much his pancakes were really "worth". Totally agree.

NigelDecember 11th, 2010 at 3:09 pm

To the OP- You have the patience of a saint.

Were I in your shoes, I would’ve invited him back for pancakes and whacked him upside the head with the frying pan. Hard.

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